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Second Listen: Worship Everyday
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Second Listen Introduction
Speaker 1Hello Hope Podcast listeners . We live in a fast-paced world where new material and ideas are thrown at you 24-7 . Some of you told us this and said I want to listen to everything , but it's hard to catch up . Well , we're here to help . We desire to be a place that is grateful for and respectful of your precious time , and so to serve you best , we will every so often be resharing past episodes that we call Second Listen , because we think they are worth taking a second to replay . Even if you are an every week listener , we think having a second listen to these episodes will make an impact on your weekend life , and if you have heard this one but are behind on new episodes , now is a great time to catch up on any others you have missed . Thank you , and here we go you .
Speaker 2And here we go . Welcome to the Meet Hope podcast , where we have conversations about faith and hope . Hope is one church made of people living out their faith through two expressions in person and online . We believe a hybrid faith experience can lead to a growing influence in our community and our world for the sake of others . Welcome to Hope .
Meet Chris Paluzak
Speaker 3Well , hey , everybody . Welcome back to the Meet Hope podcast . My name is Andrew , I am the Worship Arts Director here at Hope and I am so happy to have my brother , Chris Paluzak , here with me . Chris is one of the volunteer worship leaders at Hope . Man , welcome .
Speaker 4Thank you , I'm very flattered to be here .
Speaker 3We are honored to have you truly . So why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself ? Sure , spell your last name for us . Okay , never mind , yeah , tell us a little bit about you .
Speaker 4That was a great question . Yeah , so I'm Chris Paluzak . I live with my wife , caitlin , and our four boys , who are a delight . Thank you , I appreciate that . Can you name all four of them , you can say that Sean , Josh , Oliver and Graham , Our dog Brinkley and our cat Nana , Nice , and we live right here in Voorhees .
Speaker 3Well , very cool . Well , today , we're kind of talking about a couple things today , but first just want to get to know a little bit about your story and how you got to where you are today . You are a brilliant worship leader , my friend .
Speaker 1And .
Speaker 3I don't know if I tell you that . Enough , that's kind . Thank you , you're welcome , but I just so just wanted to be able to talk to you a little bit about your story and how you view worship in your everyday life , because I know you and I talk about . You know worship is an extension of our lives . So , yeah , start from really wherever you want . But you know what about you ? How did you get ?
Speaker 4to where you are today . Sure , I mean , I think it's at least for myself . When I look back , it's really interesting because it starts very early . It starts at about four years old and my dad was in a what you would look at now as a worship band , a traveling worship band , but back then they didn't really have them right Churches were still doing the choir and the hymns and he was in a band called new creation and , uh , they would travel around and do worship on Sundays . Um , and from the time I was
Early Musical Beginnings
Speaker 4from four maybe to about nine or 10 years old , I went along with him . Um , when I was four , my parents got me a drum set for Christmas .
Speaker 3Yeah , a lot , a lot of people don't know this because you , you are a drummer at first . Yeah , I'm trained yeah , yeah , which is one of my . I didn't know that right away when we first met , and then you went to school for a drummer , right ?
Speaker 4Yeah , I graduated with a Bachelor of Arts in Performance from Kutztown , studied under Will Rapp and , yeah , I got my percussion degree .
Speaker 3So was music for you always like an expression of who you are .
Speaker 4Yeah , very much so , I think the older I got it kind of changed , but it was always most definitely a way to express myself yeah , yeah , even from early on Nice .
Speaker 3Very cool . So then , how did you sort of come into your relationship with God ?
Speaker 4Yeah , so my dad did that and that was great because I love that music . They were doing things from the Imperials and Dallas Home and it was just during a time Amy Grant's Age to Age album had just come out . So she young .
Speaker 3Yeah , yeah it was really 82 .
Speaker 4And Michael W Smith's project album came out , and so that was really kind of my first experience to Christian music .
Speaker 4But you know my mom was a huge influence in my life with secular music and she used to listen to the radio all the time and that was just really great . But really my big sister was probably a major influence in my life and we have an age difference of eight years , so it was great because she would be in her bedroom listening to the radio and she just kind of had me in there and I would just be with drumsticks , pounding on pillows all the time . Uh , you know . So I got some background there , um , and then when I was 12 , I started playing guitar . Um , my dad was a classical guitar player , you know , along with with you know kind of the contemporary Christian music . Um , so there was guitars laying around the house , so I just pick some guitars up and fool around with them and then eventually that called on and I had always was singing school plays , you know that kind of thing . So I went to college , I got my music degree .
Speaker 4While I was in college I met some guys and we wanted to start a band . So we started a secular rock band Nice and we did a lot . And we did our own a band . So we started a secular rock band Nice and we did a lot and we did our own stuff along with covers . We recorded an EP and that was really , when I look back now , that was really interesting to see how kind of the faith path played through all of that , to realize that was in my 20s and life wasn't really that great back then . So a lot of the writing in the songs I look back on are cries out to God ,
From Secular Band to Church Return
Speaker 4really leaning on God , really asking some hard questions and that kind of .
Speaker 4You know , we did an EP that kind of fell apart and then I didn't know what God wanted me to do at all . I went through a really hard time in my late twenties and just didn't know where the Lord wanted me . So , things being things , I kind of just left that area , just left music in general , left the church . There were some things that happened in the church that I wasn't happy with . So , you know , I kind of just moved out of everything of my life and I guess what you could say is I just wanted to be normal for a little bit , if that makes sense .
Speaker 4Yeah , no , I do get that and I ended up meeting Caitlin and I moved to Philadelphia and we got married and we started a family and while she was pregnant with our twins , which are our youngest , she really wanted to find a church that had a lot of youth , where the kids could be raised . We tried a lot of different churches I'm not a real church person and we came to Hope and we loved Hope . Yeah , and I never thought about music at all and we were sitting in service . One day she looked over at me and she said I think God wants you up there and I was like I don't think you're right .
Speaker 3Um .
Speaker 4I don't think I should be doing that , I don't want to go anywhere near that . You know , I just that's not me , I don't want that anymore . Um , and then every week we'd come in and she'd say you know what I really think ? You know , god wants you doing that . I think you should do that . So that was . We started coming here in November and then by April she had kept saying it and was very diligent and finally , you know , I said fine , I'll talk to Steve , who was the worship pastor at the time . And finally , you know , I said fine , I'll , I'll , I'll talk to Steve , who was the worship pastor at the time , and we talked . It was a great conversation and I ended up coming on and playing drums Nice . And you know , it's kind of interesting to watch that full spectrum , from going all the way back to four , being with my dad through his time going into the secular world , going through that , having the bottom kind of drop out of that , going into nothing , and then coming back to the church . That's cool .
Speaker 3I mean I ask this question or I think about this a lot because I did the secular band thing for a little bit too , and somebody , every once in a while , someone will ask me , like what's the difference between like secular music and and worship music ? Because I think it's not as far apart as I think some people do , especially like if you listen to , if you listen to some of like you two's stuff I mean that's very highly spiritual questions and , um , but like for you , what if , thinking about your secular band days and your worship , like , what is , what's the difference for you in that ?
Speaker 4Well , I mean , there was a different reason for doing it right .
Speaker 4Like , I think that's that's the biggest thing that comes out . Is um playing secular music ? You're not , or at least I wasn't really thinking about an act of praise . Um , you know , it was more for the art of it than than anything else . Um , and I think that for me , is the biggest difference , where worship music is more like jazz to me , where , when we do worship music , every time that we're doing it , my soul is searching for the truth , and it's one of the reasons why I love that we do live stuff on a Sunday , right , like we prep during the week but then Sunday morning , however , the Holy Spirit moves us and you know , that is a really great way for me to be searching for the truth , with the Lord leading .
Speaker 3So then , when did in your story ? So you're playing drums ? How did you go from playing drums to being , I mean , one of the handful of volunteer worship leaders ? Like that's a .
Speaker 4Yeah , that's interesting . So I think Steve knew that I played guitar and I sang and I started in the worship team as a drummer and then
The Essence of Worship Leadership
Speaker 4it wasn't long after that . I think I started in June and then by the following fall or even winter I can't remember quite when Hope started Mount Laurel campus .
Speaker 3Yeah .
Speaker 4And we were really stretched for worship artists . So I remember Lonnie Mitchell , who was the worship leader at Mount Laurel , saying would you come up and maybe do a week at Mount Laurel and play guitar and sing , yeah ? And I was like , oh yeah , I can do that , sure , no problem . So that's kind of that was the shift . And then Mount Laurel too , was , if Lonnie couldn't make it , it ended up sometimes just being me and Susie up there .
Speaker 4Yeah , so there was kind of that slow transition into what do you think you learned about yourself ?
Speaker 3Because being a worship leader is a weird thing , because when you are leading worship , you are leading In some ways , you're leading the band . I mean , sometimes there's a difference sometimes between a worship leader and a music director and we kind of blur the lines there and those are kind of inside terms . But you're kind of facilitating this worship experience along with a bunch of inside terms . But you're you're kind of facilitating this worship experience along with a bunch of other people , but you're also inviting people into worship . So , like what was the process like for you ? Kind of ? I mean , it seems like you were kind of just thrown to the wolves and said figure it out . I mean , I'm sure you got . You got , you know , walked alongside by other people , with Steve and Lonnie , I'm sure , but like what was that like to kind of figure out like what it means to be a worship leader and how is that different than just leading a band and a bar ? You know , because there's big differences but also big similarities .
Speaker 4Yeah , Well , you know , I had grown up in the church , so I had a background of what corporate worship was . I had a background of what corporate worship was . Yeah , and you know , if you love Jesus and you get in a room full of Jesus people , the Holy Spirit does amazing things .
Speaker 3Amen .
Speaker 4And you know you can't help but be there in a worship posture , right ? So you know , you and I always agree about this external adoration of of God . Yeah and um , you figured that , I think for me , anyway , like I figured that out really quickly , right , like that's , you know it wasn't , it's not a show , like I knew I wasn't there to I'm not , I'm not performing , you know , um , I'm not there so people can hear me sing a song .
Speaker 4We're there to praise the Lord , right Like this is corporate worship's amazing , right Like it's just the coolest thing . And I think that's the part that makes it different than saying okay , well again , you know , I'm out in the secular thing and I'm leading a band . Okay , well again , I'm out in the secular thing and I'm leading a band .
Speaker 4And I agree with you that there are parts that are very similar to this because we do have to make sure we're hitting the correct mood of the music and we're hitting , telling a story , and yeah . Yeah , but there's also this very spiritual part that it's just not about us and it's so cool yeah , the simplest way I've ever heard it .
Speaker 3And I've stolen it and made it my own , not about us and it's so cool . Yeah , the simplest way I've ever heard it and I've stolen it and made it my own many times over , and I'm sure I've said it to you in the past is the difference between performance and worship is where the adoration goes . If I'm performing , it's hey , everybody , look at me . And if I'm worshiping and I'm leading worship , it's hey , everybody , look at God One . If I'm worshiping and I'm leading worship , it's hey everybody .
Speaker 3Look at God . One of the first and I'm definitely I'm sure I've told this story on the podcast before , and we talk about a lot about remembering to duck . It was something that was like one of my first weeks here . I said don't forget to duck , no-transcript . And I think that for me and I think you do this so wonderfully that is the essence of being a worship leader is remembering to shine the light on Jesus and to be this conduit for him .
Speaker 4Well , thanks . I think that's very kind of you and and you know , I also don't want people to to to feel like church is this thing you do right , like it's Sunday , we got to go to church , we go to church , we do three songs , we listen to a message Jeff says and everybody says amen , and then we all go home . To me , it's not about that . We're coming together as a congregation to praise the Lord , which is amazing .
Speaker 3I think modern churches have pigeonholed worship and I don't think they do it on purpose to music and preaching and singing . I don't think they do on purpose to like music and preaching , right , but like and singing , you know , sometimes I'll even find the pastor saying you know the words that we sing and like ? That's one part of it , but also the posture that we take and the actions that we do while we worship him . Like that is , and there's I mean there's biblical references for that . And David , he was a very .
Speaker 3he was a character , but he , you know , he was a very physical , or but he was a very physical worship leader Dancing in front of the ark .
Speaker 4Yeah , exactly .
Speaker 3Absolutely so . How would you say so ? You kind of have this worship thing that you've sort of come onto the past several years . What does that look like in your day-to-day life ? Because worship , I mean , we are just corporate worship is just one part of our worship experience . So when we come together on Sunday mornings , corporate worship , that's a group of us coming together , singing together , praising together . But what does worship ? What does your worship look like as an extension of your life , meaning , in your world , when you're at work ? What does that look like for you ?
Speaker 4I think I think the biggest thing in my life to this point was understanding that this portion of my journey with the Lord is very short on earth .
Speaker 4You know , of course it's human to get attached to earthly things . Right , it really is . But I saw on a I don't know if it was Instagram or something and we've and you and I have talked about this before , but there was a gentleman speaking about this and he had a rope and
Living Worship in Everyday Life
Speaker 4the rope like went down and out the room and you know , it was 400 , 500 feet of rope and there was maybe an inch of it that was red at the tip and he said this inch represents your time on earth and this rope is your time with God . Yeah , and I love that and I always try to remember that throughout my day , to kind of try to remember God has me here for some reason . I'm not exactly sure what that is , but I'm here because of God .
Speaker 4Yeah , I'm here because of the Lord and , um , and I want to try to live my life in the image of Christ , right , like I want to try to do . Like you know , I read the Gospels and I've read them many times and I'm still blown away by the person Christ was . I mean , it's just mind-blowing to me . So , you know , like , as we always say , hope you know , conform to .
Speaker 4You know , in the image of Christ for the sake of others , and to really try to do that can be challenging , but if I use that as a whole as a guidance , then that's kind of how I bring that into everyday life right . Like , I think sometimes for myself I get too worried about things that aren't going to matter tomorrow , you know , or you know things that aren't going to matter in a year from now . Why am I worried about that kind of thing ? And I think really that's kind of the Lord settles into that and it's like stop , knock it off .
Speaker 3I love the way you talk about worship and in the conversations we have it's a very active thing on Sunday mornings but also in , you know , in our life , and we kind of you had talked about this sort of following the spirit you had talked about that a few minutes ago that like and then we talked a lot about it in the worship team that we need to listen to each other and also listen to the Holy spirit , and the Holy spirit is sort of our guide , and when we tap into that , we're kind of we're tapped into the spirit . We do things that are greater than we could have accomplished on our own , and I think that , like it's a great parallel for , like what ? How we lead our lives , Like , can I see how you are a father to your kids ? Then I think that , like they are crazy . I love them , but they're not .
Speaker 3You're being kind , yeah , but I think that I see a patience in you that is otherworldly and to see a patience and that it transcends this understanding of , like you said a few minutes ago , things don't matter in the grand scheme of things .
Speaker 3What matters is my relationship with God and what I'm doing . So are there things that you would say that in your faith journey and I know you only told us a small portion of it , I know it's much longer that , as it relates to your time in music and your time that you really take with you daily , I think that for me , the act of practicing and the act of um preparation is something that , like , I'm so much better at that as a musician than I am in any other avenue in my life , and I'm it's this thing that , like I know , god instilled this gift in me of music , um , and I need to , I need to my diligence that I take with that , I need to show in the rest of my life . So are there things like that that you've learned in your faith and music journey , knowing that they're so intertwined , but , like what are the things that you've learned about yourself or about you know whatever that shapes who you are today as the man of God that you are ?
Speaker 4Yeah , there's a lot in there , but , you know , it's always interesting when we get into talking about the act of worship and the preparation for that . And you know , what I will say is that one of the things that really profoundly hit me was , you know , my mom passed away 16 or 17 years ago from cancer . But before she did , she said to me no matter where you're playing , no matter who you're playing in front of , remember that you're always playing to a king . And you know , I know that that sounds like an audience of one , right , but it was before that which was really cool when she said that to me and that kind of always made sense to me . So , you know , preparation for everything in your life is important , right , you know , and we all do it a little bit better at times
Playing for an Audience of One
Speaker 4than others , and that's okay because we're humans , you know . I think that having that kind of guidance in my life is what I try to achieve . So I don't know if that answers your question .
Speaker 3No , I think it's a great answer and yeah , I just think that playing we talk about this all the time that like our rehearsal . So we have a Thursday night rehearsal I'm sure most many people may not know that and so we rehearse Thursdays from like 7 , 15 to 9 o'clock and our best rehearsals are the least technical meaning . It's the we are worshiping through the figuring it out , and I always know , almost always know , that we're going to have a good Sunday when those services , when those rehearsals , are very spirit-filled and we're not getting dogged up on . Well , you know , you said this was on four , not on , you know stuff like that .
Speaker 3Yeah , that can be challenging , yeah , and I think that that's just this . I think that speaks to something deeper . Is that , like , when your eyes are fixed on Jesus , your priorities are a little bit different . Eyes are fixed on Jesus , your priorities are a little bit different . And I think sometimes and we all fall victim to it , cause , again , like you said , we're not perfect that , um , we , we get caught up in our own stuff and thinking , you know , I need to have my ducks in a row , or if I don't have my , you know .
Speaker 3But like , yeah , our best rehearsals are always the ones where there's just a , there's just a little bit more worshipfulness than there's , um , technical figuring things out . Like , I feel like we get in the weeds sometimes and I think that's a great example in life , that when we do get in the weeds and stuff , then we lose the who we are playing to an audience of or who we're living for . I think that's yeah , because I think that goes . You don't have to be an instrument , you don't have to be be a musician to play for an audience of one or to play for the king . Well , you know .
Speaker 4I also think too , one of the great messages the Bible gives us is to not overcomplicate things . At least , jesus , I mean . You look at the parables right . Like it's just . Things don't have to be super complicated , to have explanations , and I feel like our worship Sundays can be like that too , like , okay , guys , when , when are we getting into technical things that are now taking away from the preparation ? Or , and like you said , things have to be be good because we want to create a good experience for the congregation .
Speaker 4But at the same time it's like all right is . Is this now starting ?
Speaker 3to take away Whenever we get to the point where we're like well , is this in 6.8 or 12.4 or you know like , and it's okay . But what do we feel in this moment ? What's the best way to present this ?
Speaker 4Absolutely A hundred percent .
Speaker 3I agree . And I think that that's a beautiful extension of our lives that sometimes we get caught up in the dumb details of things not dumb , you know what I mean . Yeah yeah . That we forget why we're doing what we're doing .
Speaker 4Yeah , absolutely , and I mean it's easy to do and it's easy to do with a worship team like we have , because we're , you know , thankfully we're blessed and we're bigger . Yeah , we have more equipment , you know , so you can get bogged down into some of those things you know , so you can get bogged down into some of those things .
Speaker 4But I also think that's the job of the worship leader or the music director on those rehearsals to kind of pull the group back and say , all right , look , I understand
Closing Thoughts
Speaker 4what you're saying , but let's refocus back now and see if we can do this .
Speaker 3But yeah , just any final thoughts you have for our friends that are listening right now .
Speaker 4No I mean I just would hope that people are getting an experience where they can really see the love that Christ has for them , and I hope that's what we do and that's what we pray about every week to try to do so yeah , thanks , brother .
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