The Meet Hope Podcast
The Meet Hope Podcast
121: Parenting 2025: Supporting New Moms
In this week's episode, we explore the complex realities of being new to motherhood with Gabby Morreale, LPC, and owner of Recovered and Restored Eating Disorder Therapy Center. We dive into conversations about mental load, body image, and finding support through the challenging seasons. Whether you are a new mom, know a new mom, or are a partner or caregiver, this episode is a great listen! And to all the moms out there - you are doing a great job! May you know God is with you every step of the way.
Contact Gabby: gabby@recoveredandrestored
Mentioned in this podcast:
- Gabby's Free Course for New Moms: https://www.recoveredandrestoredtherapy.com/journey-of-motherhood-course
- Podcasts:
- The Motherhood Body Chronicles
- Mom Well
- Holding Space
- The Power of &
- The Mom Hour
- The Birth Hour
- The Fertility Journey
- Instagram:
- @drcolleenreichmann
- @gabriellelpc
- @motherthrivetherapy
- @jennifer_rollin
- Books:
- Rattled: the Postpartum Pregnancy and Mood Workbook
- Beyond the Blues
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Welcome to the Meet Hope Podcast, where we have conversations about faith and hope. Hope is one church made of people living out their faith through two expressions in person and online. We believe a hybrid faith experience can lead to a growing influence in our community and our world for the sake of others. Welcome to Hope.
Speaker 2:Welcome to the Meet Hope Podcast. I'm Amanda Cavallari. I'm the director of Tomorrow's Hope Preschool and the marriage and parenting coordinator here at Hope, and I am excited today to be sitting down with Gabby Morreale. Hi, gabby, hi, thank you for having me. Yes, tell everybody about yourself before we jump into what we're talking about.
Speaker 3:Sure, so I am Gabby. As Amanda mentioned, I am the owner and clinical director of Recovered and Restored Eating Disorder Therapy Center. I am Cassie Joy's mom If you've seen her wandering the halls, please send her back to me and Andrew's wife. Andrew's the worship arts director here.
Speaker 2:Yes, so happy to have you. Thank you, and this is kind of a tribute to moms and a celebration of moms today. So I'm excited to talk to you about motherhood. But we also acknowledge that there are people listening who want to be a mom and aren't moms yet, or who have lost their mom or strained relationship with their moms, and so we know that this isn't always a happy and easy topic and conversation. It's complicated, but we are having this conversation. We see all women and all are good and beautiful and we are happy to be talking today to those who are moms and celebrating Mother's Day this coming Sunday.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes. All women in some capacity, I believe, are mothers or have the heart of the mother or gifts of mothers. So just thank you nurturers, nurturers, yes, thank you for all you do.
Speaker 2:All the women out there, all the women out there, yes, and so there is a scripture that I love that says that children are a gift from the Lord and they are a reward from him. That is from Psalm 127. I love that verse, but in a survey from Scary Mommy among mothers of young children, the top most wanted gift by moms for Mother's Day was alone time. I do believe that. I do believe that. So children are a gift, but for a gift we want time alone. Why, why.
Speaker 3:Gabby, tell me why why, gabby, tell me I think it's a great question, but I also think like it makes sense. So we were people first, right. We were women first. We were children first, right. So we had an identity before we were mothers and of course, motherhood adds to that identity in such a beautiful, all-consuming at times way. But we're human and it's okay to want time for yourself, it's okay to want time with your child. Whatever you're feeling, it's okay. And being a mom is the greatest gift. But also being a woman, being a wife, a sister, a friend, an artist, an athlete, whatever roles and identity you find in yourself, that makes you feel good. That's okay too. And God created mothers and motherhood, but he also created you too.
Speaker 3:Just as an individual first, and that's totally okay. It's totally okay.
Speaker 2:And normal, right, like so, normal. Yes, I remember, as a new mom, feeling guilty that I was like I could just use a couple hours to myself, right and feeling bad, and it's like no, no, it's okay, it's totally okay.
Speaker 3:Take a nap, go get a coffee right.
Speaker 2:Whatever fills you right, Whatever you need yes. Yeah, yeah. So I feel like, yes, there's like you said, there's room for God to work in us for, however we were made, but like moms carry so much mental load yeah, so much, right, which is part of why we crave that alone time right, yes, totally yes so like what is this mental load that moms are carrying?
Speaker 3:So if you're a mom, you already know. But for anyone else listening For, maybe the dads. You're like what do you mean? You can't stop thinking. I remember saying to Andrew one time like yeah, that's on my mental list.
Speaker 1:And he was like huh, I was like oh yeah, you don't have one of those running lists in your head.
Speaker 3:I got it. So anyway, but he does do many great things. So the mental load is just defined as the invisible load that encompasses the emotional and mental labor, planning and organization needed to maintain a household, family and personal life, and it is often, or almost always, uncompensated. So, yes, and it's not exclusive to moms, but statistics would tell us that women disproportionately carry this load very often, or at least report to carry this load very often.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Whether you're working at home whether you stay at home, whether you work remotely have a full-time job.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, we're all kind of carrying these unseen things, right. Yeah, we carry our own lives and our own jobs and our own agendas. And then it's like, oh, I got to make dentist appointments for the kids and I got to run here and pick up that and it's all these things, and it's no wonder why we're exhausted.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no wonder why we need that a lot of times.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, totally, and I feel like expectations are another big challenge Totally, so talk to me about navigating expectations.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's like I think we have this idea that having a baby and having children is just all blissful and although it is so fun a lot of the time and magical, it's also incredibly hard. And if motherhood is not what you've envisioned or you're in a season of your motherhood that just isn't going how you envisioned, please know that's so normal. I dabble I would love to say I'm an expert, but I dabble in maternal mental health and have the privilege of seeing clients who are also mothers, and this is something we talk about all the time. And if you're worried about being a good mom, you're a great one, so you're already doing better than you probably expect.
Speaker 3:We are often our own worst critics. We also think that these expectations right, that we have to do blank, blank and blank to be a good parent they're often untrue. If you show up and you love them, you're knocking out of the park. Yes, oh gosh, yes, it's a big change. Right, it's a big change. It's a big change. And one thing people don't even talk about a lot I haven't experienced this yet, but someone mentioned it to me on Friday was going from one to two, and that's a really big change. So whether you have one, two, five. It's all changing and evolving and the expectations they just get higher and higher. But you don't always have to meet them. We don't always have to meet those expectations. Let's figure out, what do I need in this moment, what does my child need in this moment, and just do our best.
Speaker 2:And offer ourselves a lot of grace. Oh my gosh, so much.
Speaker 3:So much, just like we offer it to them, right, right, we want to give our children grace and we want them to see us being kind to ourselves. Because how can we tell them be kind, be kind. That's the message we want to send. But if you're berating yourself and being unkind to yourself for the things you think you're not doing right, what message does that send them? So just proceed with kindness and grace.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes and gosh. I feel like something also so specific to women and moms is just the range of emotions. Oh my gosh, yeah, I mean we feel on a typical month, but through pregnancy, postpartum, those early years, I mean all the way through my kids are older and I'm like mid forties, perimenopause, like there's always these emotions, right, talk to me about that. Yeah, talk to me about that.
Speaker 3:I think sometimes in our society we like run from emotion, right, like we're like what do I just need to do to get by? Which is kind of understandable because being a human is hard. But we were made to feel those emotions, we were given those emotions. Emotions aren't bad or good. They're feelings and they help us grow and they are part of who we are. But I feel like in motherhood there's a lot of holding both. So, like during pregnancy, I know I can say I feel so excited and thankful and I also do feel scared, right, and that's okay and I can hold both and I can experience both, just like I can have multiple roles, I can have multiple feelings. So the power of and goes really far, I think, in motherhood in life and when it comes to feelings.
Speaker 3:But so you might be really happy and also holding grief. You might be feeling joy and pain, right. There is a plethora of emotions we can feel, which is really cool, but we don't just have to have one, and sometimes our feelings do get overwhelming. Yes, they do, and it's okay. Right, that's okay, that's okay. Yes, I do and it's okay. That's okay, that's okay. Sometimes emotions can lead us to struggle with, you know, things that are a little beyond just a bad day, right.
Speaker 3:Or just even a hard season. Sometimes. You know some things. Commonly during pregnancy and postpartum is the baby blues is the first one that came to my mind. It's like the first six weeks you might feel a little more down. Also, in fairness, your hormones are basically crashing right now and it is, you know, it's okay, it's the natural part of postpartum. So if you're feeling down in the beginning, that's okay. But also know that it's okay to want to talk to someone. It's okay to talk about it and if you need help, reach out 100%. But if it goes past six weeks, a lot of times there's perinatal and postpartum anxiety. As well as perinatal anxiety, perinatal depression, ocd, post-traumatic stress disorder, eating disorders can develop and body dysmorphia are just some of the typical perinatal and postpartum diagnosis we see as well, as there is a rare one which is postpartum psychosis, but again, very, very rare but it does happen. But really, no matter what's going on, if you're struggling, get help.
Speaker 2:It's okay, yes, yeah, and the other thing that we, as women, and really any woman struggling with is our body image right. And so we get to to know our bodies and then we have kids and now they're different. And I remember when I had my son, um, I remember after he was born, and at one point I was like, okay, I'm feeling, you know, back down to my, my pre-baby size and I got in the scale, which is never a good idea after you have a them and it's had the same number as before.
Speaker 2:I was pregnant, yeah, so I was so excited, okay, but then I went to put on my jeans and they did not fit and that is okay.
Speaker 3:I don't understand what's happening, because my body was totally different, totally different, right?
Speaker 2:Yes, so like what's going on?
Speaker 3:I mean, bodies change, right, like seven, eight pounds, thank goodness, because we're not babies anymore. Bodies change. It's just a part of life and that is okay and all bodies are good, but bodies are going to change. You grew a human inside of you, right? We grew humans, that's that's amazing.
Speaker 2:There is this like feel this you call it.
Speaker 3:Talk to us about bounce back culture right, yes, yes, yes, yes, we can these mommies having babies, isn't that the word? Yes?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's definitely like you see, like Brittany Mahomes on TV. You know, two weeks at the Super Bowl, postpartum, like I mean. More power to you girl, yes, go ahead.
Speaker 3:But talk to me about that. Yeah, I mean, it definitely sends, you know, some unhealthy messaging right, but I think some people's bodies are able to do that, sure, and that is totally fine, but I think most women's bodies that's just not what happens. Also, like the whole six weeks and your body's healed. That is just not true. That was not my experience.
Speaker 3:That is just not true. And our bodies don't even just change in appearance. They often change, you know, in how they're, and not just how they're shaped, but also like on the inside. We might feel different, different parts of our body may just feel different, and it's going to take healing. But so bounce back. Culture is basically diet culture, nonsense. It is the ultimate gaslighter. Okay Again you just grew a human being in your body, be gentle with yourself.
Speaker 3:In your body, be gentle with yourself. It often comes from societal expectations that individuals, particularly women, should quickly return to their pre-birth or pre-event physical experience. But that's just not true. It's not realistic. Yeah, it's unfair. Your body did change, but change isn't bad. Different isn't bad, right, and I think learning to embrace your body where it's at and maybe where you hope it'll go both places we can hold space for that. Can you talk about?
Speaker 2:how we can do that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, please, yes, I can. So it's really hard, right. So, like again, motherhood is hard, postpartum is hard, it's just wonderful, amazing, hard right. We can hold all the feelings. But so with our bodies, I think first we can think about what it just did, right, like I keep coming back to you just grew a human.
Speaker 2:Like wow.
Speaker 3:Wow, like just pause for a minute. You did that, I think, for the 10 months that our body is pregnant, it's equivalent to running a marathon every day or something equivalent like something wild, like that. I remember reading that and being like, oh, I don't have to do anything today, I just ran a marathon. I didn't know I was a marathoner, but really it's just amazing. So holding space for that awe of what you just did, also space for that awe of what you just did Also allowing yourself to fall in love with your baby, because your baby loves you just as you are, just as you are.
Speaker 3:Try to embrace the soft. Yes, your body is going to be different. That doesn't mean it can't go back, but also it doesn't have to. Your body will always be different and that's okay, I think also, just again, proceeding with grace, right, leading with grace. If you can just be neutral towards your body, you don't have to love it, right, like we're all going to have we all have parts of our bodies.
Speaker 3:we just don't love it's okay, but that doesn't mean you have to be mean to it, doesn't mean you have to berate it, doesn't mean you have to do anything to change it. Maybe we just sit with that discomfort and maybe we just have a bad body image day. It's okay, right. My mom used to say and when I was a kid I hated this, but now, being a mom, I love this saying oh, you're mad, okay, you'll get glad again. She wasn't wrong, I did get glad again. And when it comes to body image, we're gonna have bad days. Not every day will be bad, but if you find that days are building and building and building and they're bad whether it's body image wise or mental health wise or anything reach out for support.
Speaker 2:So there's going to be bad days? Yeah, there's going to be bad days. There might be a lot. It's okay, not all moments of motherhood are those roses and sunshine, right. And unfortunately, when we go on social media, that's typically what we see right, we see everybody's best moments, and then what it does, at least to me, is I go, oh, oh, I didn't do that with my kid, or I don't look like that, or I didn't take that trip, or you know, it's the comparison trap. It's the worst.
Speaker 3:The comparison trap right. It's the worst.
Speaker 2:Yes yes, it's hard and sometimes even just that idea oh, you have this beautiful baby and you should always be happy and only be thankful, and nobody talks about how hard that is going from, I mean, just a woman without a child to a woman with a child. There's a huge change, huge identity change there, and some birth stories are very, very traumatic Again it's not talked about. It's not talked about so everybody thinks, oh, they have this baby and everything's great and let's move on.
Speaker 3:So that trauma is real, those expectations that you're feeling, that pressure, it's all real. Allow yourself to feel it, it's okay. So I thought I didn't really know, right, you have no idea Before you give birth, you just don't know, right? So I got induced and was in labor for 40 hours and I did have a scare post giving birth to Cassie where she had to go to the NICU, and then I actually blacked out for a while, don't?
Speaker 1:really remember.
Speaker 3:But it's okay and I can say it's okay now because I processed it right. I went to therapy, I did the work, but just because we both came home and we're fine, which is a true blessing of God, does not mean that I was okay because I wasn't.
Speaker 3:And I had to do that work and I had to talk about it. And now I can talk about it. I can almost joke about it, but that took time. And if you had an experience where I think the expectation is well, you both went home, everybody's okay, but you didn't even have your expectation whether it was your birth plan, because some people go in and they have this beautiful list that they thought up, they made a playlist, they did all these things. I love that for you. I'm not that person. My plan is to stay alive. That's about it.
Speaker 3:But it didn't go that way. It didn't go as planned. Maybe you didn't get to listen to your playlist or maybe there were more serious complications, but you both went home. That's great, you both went home. It's okay to need to process that. It's okay to need to heal from that. Or maybe there were no complications, but it just wasn't what you expected. That's okay too. It's okay if that hurts, right, like I think we see on TV, like in the shows, like, oh, you just go in, you yell a little bit, you scream for your partner and then and it's all bliss and it is beautiful Again, so wonderful, and there's a lot of heart.
Speaker 3:in between there's a lot of heart in between and that's okay, and I think again learning to talk about it.
Speaker 3:I think, as women, I think it's getting better, yes, but I think, like, talk about your story, share your story, because you never know who can relate to you. You never know who you may help by just being brave enough to open up and be authentic. And social media can we just turn it off? Right, right, like. That's something I know I struggle with, because part of me does some of my business online, where I like to put positive messaging out there for my clients or for people to see that may help them come to find us. So I'm always like, well, I have to do it for my business? Okay, I do, but does my mental health matter more? Yes, hold me to that, but yes, so it's okay to hit pause, it's okay to turn it off.
Speaker 3:Sometimes with clients, what I'll say is what if you set a timer, if you're like me and you do enjoy the scroll? What if we set a 10-minute timer, right, and we do it for 10 minutes? Or we put it down when we start to not feel good? If you're starting to feel that icky comparison hit pause Enough Doesn't mean you can't go back. Let's take a break. Let's go do something that makes you feel like you.
Speaker 2:That's what I'd recommend. Yeah, so what kinds of resources and encouragement do you have for moms and everybody's journey looks different in motherhood but give us some things that we can take away.
Speaker 3:So I think first maybe doing some affirmations to just build yourself up, if you are constantly berating yourself in your brain and moms, I know what that sounds like. Right, we all know what that sounds like when you're just oh, I forgot this, I didn't do that, why can't I ever get it right? You know all the things. Am I failing? Will she go to college? You know all the things our brains can tell us.
Speaker 3:A mental load, A mental load right, or sometimes the anxiety spiral, because sometimes once it starts, it just keeps going. But if we can feed ourselves positive affirmation and positive words, that's what our brains will give back to us, because our brains are really cool and if we're able to kind of take time each day, it doesn't have to be, it could be 30 seconds in the mirror. I am brave, I am strong, I'm resilient, right. Whatever it is that you want to say to your body, whatever it is you want to say back to yourself as a mother, whatever it is you want your motherhood to look like, speak that to yourself, speak that to your mind, even if you don't believe it, even if you don't believe it.
Speaker 2:I struggle with this. And one thing that I'm working on is, if I wouldn't say this to a friend, then I can't say it to myself. Love that Right, and I catch myself. I know this is not how I talk to a friend. Well, why do I think it's okay to talk to myself this way? I know so it's challenging, but you can do it, I can do it.
Speaker 3:Right, yes, yes, and mom's listening, you can do it too. Yes, and you're not going to get it right every time. No, I don't get it right every time. Sometimes I'm like I don't want to say that I am not capable. Puff my arms and puff, huff and puff and have it. I am not. Yes, I am, but in that moment do I want to do it? No, it's fine, try again the next day. It's okay, a bad day. It has to be hard forever. But so some just speaking life to yourself Again, that grace, that compassion Again. The more you do that for yourself, the more it will come naturally to teach that to our children. Yes, which is what we want them to develop that positive self-talk, to quiet that inner critic. That's what we want for them. We deserve that too. So I think just some other things Tap into people that make you feel good, okay, yes, so I think just some other things Tap into people that make you feel good.
Speaker 3:Yes, I can't say enough Support, support and yes, of course, I am pro-therapy as a therapist. Find a great therapist if that feels like what you need, and there are plenty out there. Also, find other moms who just align with what you're hoping to share in motherhood or with kids around the same age or just who make you feel good.
Speaker 3:Also, find older moms because they have been through it. They've survived. Yes, they are coming out the other side. Find older moms who can pour into you and you can share the joy of your little ones with, because that will just make you feel so much better and also give you hope.
Speaker 2:They give you hope, because sometimes you're in a stage of sleepless nights or potty training or who knows what, and it feels like it's never going to end, and so you do need those parents just a little bit ahead of you to say you'll get there. You'll get there, yes, and there's something on the other side too.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes yes, we know the little problems often become big problems, but even in that, that camaraderie and just that, that friendship can really be so valuable. I think too, also just like getting back in touch with yourself, as we talked about in the beginning that alone time. You're allowed to be a person and a mother, so re-embrace and relearn who you are, as yourself and as a mother, and see where you can bring it together, because that will only help your mothering journey.
Speaker 3:I think, accepting that perfection is an illusion, oh yes, yeah, I think, if we do that, we'll get really because it is right, it is such an illusion. Are there going to be great times? Yeah, are there times where you are going to be like, wow, okay, this is a great day? Absolutely, and I hope all of those days for all the moms and all the ladies come that they're plentiful. I really do and there are seasons where they might be Sure, but there are also going to be seasons where you're just not checking the boxes, and it's okay, it's okay.
Speaker 3:Perfection is just an illusion. Whether it's the perfect body, the perfect mom, the perfect wife, we don't exist. The only person who's perfect is God.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's it.
Speaker 3:Yes. So we need to stop chasing the idea of perfection. Remember that your baby and your child all they want is you, right. Your love is more than enough, which is so cool and definitely something I really lean into. On the hard days Right, like when we've had seven tantrums and we peed on the floor, you know, I remember that's all she needs and I'm thankful for this. It's my love, yeah, right.
Speaker 2:And that's what matters. So you're already enough by just showing up and being who you are. So, Gabby, if there is a spouse or partner listening here, how can they help that special mom, how can they help their wife or their new new parent that they're supporting in in all of this motherhood journey?
Speaker 3:So the first thing that comes to mind is just ask. But I actually don't want you to do that. What I would like you to do, as the partner or husband or helper in some way, is observe and anticipate. So I definitely remember postpartum people being like what do you need? I didn't know. I didn't know because I was sleep deprived and overwhelmed and just doing the new mom thing, but when people would say I'm bringing you dinner, thank you.
Speaker 2:Sure.
Speaker 3:Did I maybe need dinner that night, maybe not, but you know what? That went a long way, because then we had dinner for the rest of the week? Yes, or can I send you $5 for a coffee? Oh my God, you sure can, because, would, I think, thought to ask for that? No, I'd be like I'm fine. Thanks so much, or you need to go take a nap let me take the baby right like just observe and be mindful.
Speaker 3:Also, if you have the luxury of you know knowing your partner, well, talk to them again. Don't ask, and I know that probably feels annoying. Don't ask, but just listen to what they're saying. If they're telling you oh, I hate going to the grocery store, go to the darn grocery store. If you buy the wrong groceries. It's okay, I promise you, we will be so appreciative of the effort. We might tell you to take things back, but we will be so appreciative of the effort.
Speaker 3:So, listen, listen and just try to observe. Also again, please know it is okay to ask, but if you find that you're asking and you're asking again and the person keeps telling you they're fine or they don't know, grab a box of diapers and some wipes. They never go bad.
Speaker 3:You can always do something or ask someone close to them. But for immediate partners, I think, listen, observe, be mindful. Also, just try to pick up where you can and don't be afraid to mess up. Yes, because you're not going to get it right, and we know you're not going to get it right, and it's okay. We love you anyway and I think the effort goes a really long way, especially on those sleep-deprived nights.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's challenging. Yeah, it's very challenging for both partners. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3:For sure and, as a partner, take care of yourself too, because that matters, because I think sometimes, especially husbands and partners who just love us so deeply, they will do anything for us, even when they don't know what to do. They'll do anything, but if you're not taking care of you too, that's going to fall more on mom. So make sure you're taking care of you as well, because that's important.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 3:There are some podcasts, so a couple of the ones that I love. First, the Motherhood Body Chronicles is actually a podcast by my good friend, dr Colleen Reichman, and she talks about motherhood and how motherhood exists in our bodies and what it's like to exist in our bodies as moms and people share their birth stories, their fertility journeys, also their challenges as mothers. It's really beautiful and authentic and raw. I remember she had me on for one episode and I was like can I say that? And she said you can say anything here. So if you want like a raw experience of motherhood, I highly recommend that one. Also, mom. Well, it's just really again, motherhood stories and just some tips from another psychologist Holding space. Right, we talked about we're going to hold lots of space.
Speaker 3:We're going to have lots of feelings, lots of ands, the power of and right yeah by Dr Cassidy. She's great. I definitely like that one. We'll put all these in the show notes too Okay cool the mom hour, the birth hour.
Speaker 3:If you are in the, if you are going to be having a child or having another child, just some good birth stories. I will encourage you, as not only a mom, but as a mental health professional listen to the good ones, don't listen to the scary ones. You can, but it will increase your anxiety about birth. So just listen to the good ones and they tell you so you can read, you'll know. And then, if you're in the midst of a fertility journey, the Fertility Warriors and then some Instagram accounts are Dr Colleen Reichman, mothers Thrive Therapy, jennifer Rollins and some great books Rattled, the Pregnancy and Postpartum Mood Workbook and Beyond the Blues. So these are just some Awesome and we'll put all these in the show notes for everybody.
Speaker 2:So if there's somebody listening who wants to get in touch with you, how do they do?
Speaker 3:that Okay. Well, they could go to recoveredandrestoredtherapycom. They could go to my Instagram, which is at Gabrielle LPC. They also could email me at Gabby at recovered and restored therapycom, or they could bother Andrew.
Speaker 1:Okay, down the hall.
Speaker 3:He'll get you, he'll get me the message, but I would love to chat, even as a friend. If you're a mom out there and you need a mom friend, I need mom friends. So I am so happy to chat any time.
Speaker 2:We don't have to do it alone, absolutely, and that's the biggest piece right, that there is so much power in just that. Me too, you know this is hard, hey, me too, because sometimes we feel like we're the only one and we're doing it all wrong and hearing somebody else say I'm struggling with that too, you go okay, it's okay, and all the pressure gets released. So thanks for being here today. I always love chatting with you and so encouraging, and we are so grateful for all the women out there caring for children, moms and teachers and all of those nurturing our little ones. They are wonderful and we appreciate them. It takes a village to raise a child. It really really does. It really really does. And so thanks for listening today. Feel free to like and share and download our podcast and we hope to have you listen again soon.
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